right i seem to have solved my problem, if i disconect power then unplug usb hdd and add games plug hdd bk in then power cable works fine no double games, also if im putting a game on the internal hdd, i disconect power unplug externall hdd plug power back in the ftp to internal works fine, for me the double game post seems to be if i plug in or remove a hdd while power is still going to console, also as the guy above said i fine using bk usb ports seem to reduce the problem